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From kung-kiu@cs.man.ac.uk Wed Jan 19 15:20:35 2000 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 15:20:30 GMT From: Kung-Kiu Lau To: kung-kiu@cs.man.ac.uk Subject: [graham@cs.newcastle.edu.au: IFCoLog membership] Dear All, A Happy New Millennium! LOPSTR has been invited by IFCoLog to join as a member (see enclosed email). I think visibility at this level will be good for LOPSTR, so I propose that we take up the invitation. I am also willing to be LOPSTR's IFCoLog representative. Please let me know what you think asap. Note that unless a majority of you object, I will assume that you support my proposal to join up and me as your rep :-) Thanks. Kung-Kiu ------- Start of forwarded message ------- Return-Path: Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 01:51:01 +1100 (EST) From: Graham Wrightson To: kung-kiu@cs.man.ac.uk cc: graham@dfki.de Subject: IFCoLog membership MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear Kung-Kiu Lau, this is a message firstly to inform you about IFCoLog (International Federation for Computational Logic), incase you are not already aware of it. Secondly, I understand from David Pearce, that you are involved in the LOPSTR Program Development stream and that it might want to become a member of IFCoLog. The main aim of IFCoLog is to promote the interests of the worldwide Computational Logic community. It was established at the FLoC conference in Trento last year. The current president is Professor Dana Scott of Carnegie Mellon University. In the meantime IFCoLog has a webpage http://www.ifcolog.org/ where you can read more about IFCoLog and its goals. Currently numerous research communities are joining IFCoLog and we are wondering if your research community would like to join. I am not sure whether the LOPSTR Program Development stream is just a series of conferences or has some legal status as an organised group; in either case we expect that it could become a member. Do you think you could enquire within your community as to whether it wants to join? No doubt you will want to wait for a formal decision on this by your members, either at a general meeting or a business meeting of a conference. If LOPSTR Program Development wants to join then it would need to elect or appoint an IFCoLog representative. Please note that money is not required for membership. I have assumed that you would be able to handle this matter but should you feel that someone else is more appropriate then please let us know. Also, should you have any queries regarding IFCoLog then I am more then happy to respond. I look forward to your response and hope to meet you some time. Best regards Graham Wrightson IFCoLog Chief Executive Officer - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Graham Wrightson, Associate Professor Monetary Systems Engineering Group Department of Computer Science and Software Engineering The University of Newcastle NSW, 2308, Australia Tel. +61-2-49216036 Fax. +61-2-49216929 Mobile 0412394732 email: graham@cs.newcastle.edu.au http://www.cs.newcastle.edu.au/~graham/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- End of forwarded message ------- From proietti@iasi.rm.cnr.it Wed Jan 19 15:41:58 2000 Return-Path: Sender: proietti@iasi.rm.cnr.it Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 16:46:13 +0100 From: Maurizio Proietti Organization: IASI-CNR X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kung-Kiu Lau Subject: Re: [graham@cs.newcastle.edu.au: IFCoLog membership] References: <200001191520.PAA18756@rdf004.cs.man.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > LOPSTR has been invited by IFCoLog to join as a member (see enclosed email). > > I think visibility at this level will be good for LOPSTR, so I propose > that we take up the invitation. I agree > I am also willing to be LOPSTR's IFCoLog representative. I support you as LOPSTR's IFCoLog representative Best wishes, Maurizio Maurizio Proietti phone (+39) 067716426 IASI-CNR fax (+39) 067716461 Viale Manzoni 30 email: proietti@iasi.rm.cnr.it I-00185 ROMA Italy http://www.iasi.rm.cnr.it/~proietti From mal@ecs.soton.ac.uk Wed Jan 19 16:07:17 2000 Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 16:07:09 +0000 Subject: Re: [graham@cs.newcastle.edu.au: IFCoLog membership] From: Michael Leuschel To: Kung-Kiu Lau In-Reply-To: <200001191520.PAA18756@rdf004.cs.man.ac.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit on 19/1/00 15:20, Kung-Kiu Lau at kung-kiu@cs.man.ac.uk wrote: > Dear All, > > A Happy New Millennium! > > LOPSTR has been invited by IFCoLog to join as a member (see enclosed email). > > I think visibility at this level will be good for LOPSTR, so I propose > that we take up the invitation. Agreed, I think it is a very good thing. > > I am also willing to be LOPSTR's IFCoLog representative. > > Agreed, Regards, Michael From julianr@dai.ed.ac.uk Wed Jan 19 16:16:39 2000 Return-Path: From: julianr@dai.ed.ac.uk Subject: Re: [graham@cs.newcastle.edu.au: IFCoLog membership] To: kung-kiu@cs.man.ac.uk (Kung-Kiu Lau) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 100 16:16:34 +0000 (GMT) Cc: kung-kiu@cs.man.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <200001191520.PAA18756@rdf004.cs.man.ac.uk> from "Kung-Kiu Lau" at Jan 19, 0 03:20:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Kung-Kiu Lau wrote: > > LOPSTR has been invited by IFCoLog to join as a member (see enclosed email). > > I think visibility at this level will be good for LOPSTR, so I propose > that we take up the invitation. > > I am also willing to be LOPSTR's IFCoLog representative. > I agree that this is basically a good idea. I note the following: o (according to the manifesto) by joining the IFCoLog grouping, we more or less commit ourself to take part in a big joint conference every four or five years o does this draw us towards the computational logic community and thereby draw us AWAY from the program development community (which development would be in the opposite direction to the current (agreed) trend)? I think you would be a fine representative. How do we hold an election? Best, Julian -- Julian Richardson http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/~julianr/ Mathematical Reasoning Group, Edinburgh University, Phone: +44 131 650 2720 From kung-kiu@cs.man.ac.uk Wed Jan 19 16:25:17 2000 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 16:25:11 GMT From: Kung-Kiu Lau To: julianr@dai.ed.ac.uk CC: kung-kiu@cs.man.ac.uk In-reply-to: <19885.200001191616@clunie> (julianr@dai.ed.ac.uk) Subject: Re: [graham@cs.newcastle.edu.au: IFCoLog membership] >I note the following: > >o (according to the manifesto) by joining the IFCoLog grouping, we more > or less commit ourself to take part in a big joint conference every four > or five years > >o does this draw us towards the computational logic community and > thereby draw us AWAY from the program development community (which > development would be in the opposite direction to the current (agreed) > trend)? I don't think joining will commit us to anything that we do not want. We will be free to withdraw our membership if they impose any restriction that we object to. In any case we will discuss individual proposals for conferences etc when they arise. >I think you would be a fine representative. How do we hold an election? If people nominate alternative candidates, then we can have a vote. Kung-Kiu From julianr@dai.ed.ac.uk Wed Jan 19 16:30:13 2000 Return-Path: From: julianr@dai.ed.ac.uk Subject: Re: [graham@cs.newcastle.edu.au: IFCoLog membership] To: kung-kiu@cs.man.ac.uk (Kung-Kiu Lau) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 100 16:30:03 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <200001191625.QAA18824@rdf004.cs.man.ac.uk> from "Kung-Kiu Lau" at Jan 19, 0 04:25:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Dear Kung-Kiu, Happy New Year to you too! Kung-Kiu Lau wrote: > > >I note the following: > > > >o (according to the manifesto) by joining the IFCoLog grouping, we more > > or less commit ourself to take part in a big joint conference every four > > or five years > > > >o does this draw us towards the computational logic community and > > thereby draw us AWAY from the program development community (which > > development would be in the opposite direction to the current (agreed) > > trend)? > > I don't think joining will commit us to anything that we do not want. > We will be free to withdraw our membership if they impose any restriction > that we object to. In any case we will discuss individual proposals > for conferences etc when they arise. > OK, as long as it is clear to them that we don't necessarily promise to join in their megaconference (although I guess we would). > If people nominate alternative candidates, then we can have a vote. > OK. I only mention it because the IFCoLog manifesto specifically mentions elections. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Richardson http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/~julianr/ Mathematical Reasoning Group, Edinburgh University, Phone: +44 131 650 2720 From fuchs@ifi.unizh.ch Wed Jan 19 16:32:38 2000 Return-Path: Date: 19 Jan 2000 17:34:23 +0100 From: "Norbert E. Fuchs" To: "Kung-Kiu Lau" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: fuchs@mail.ifi.unizh.ch In-Reply-To: <200001191520.PAA18756@rdf004.cs.man.ac.uk> References: <200001191520.PAA18756@rdf004.cs.man.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [graham@cs.newcastle.edu.au: IFCoLog membership] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 15:20 +0000 00/1/19, Kung-Kiu Lau wrote: >LOPSTR has been invited by IFCoLog to join as a member (see enclosed email)= =2E > >I think visibility at this level will be good for LOPSTR, so I propose >that we take up the invitation. I agree. >I am also willing to be LOPSTR's IFCoLog representative. You have my support. Best regards. Norbert E. Fuchs Institut f=FCr Informatik Universit=E4t Z=FCrich CH-8057 Z=FCrich Telefon +41-1-635 43 13 =46ax +41-1-635 68 09 Email fuchs@ifi.unizh.ch WWW http://www.ifi.unizh.ch/~fuchs/ From Pierre.Flener@dis.uu.se Wed Jan 19 16:38:12 2000 Return-Path: Sender: pierref@csd.uu.se Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:37:40 +0100 From: Pierre Flener Organization: Dept of Information Science, Uppsala University, Sweden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: de,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kung-Kiu Lau Subject: Re: IFCoLog membership References: <200001191520.PAA18756@rdf004.cs.man.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I think visibility at this level will be good for LOPSTR, so I propose > that we take up the invitation. > > I am also willing to be LOPSTR's IFCoLog representative. ok, Pierre -- Pierre Flener, Ph.D., Assoc. Prof. Dept of Information Science Work: +46 18 471 1028 Uppsala University Fax: +46 18 52 12 70 Box 513 mailto:Pierre.Flener@dis.uu.se S-751 20 Uppsala, Sweden http://www.dis.uu.se/~pierref/ From Gerard.Ferrand@lifo.univ-orleans.fr Wed Jan 19 16:39:20 2000 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:39:42 +0100 (MET) From: Gerard Ferrand Reply-To: Gerard Ferrand Subject: Re: [graham@cs.newcastle.edu.au: IFCoLog membership] To: kung-kiu@cs.man.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: xfty1go2ts2Q8FAzhdBqdQ== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.2.1 CDE Version 1.2.1 SunOS 5.6 sun4u sparc > Please let me know what you think asap. Note that unless a majority of > you object, I will assume that you support my proposal to join up and > me as your rep :-) > I agree with this proposal, obviouslsy Best regards Gerard Ferrand ----------------------------------------------------------- LIFO, Departement d'Informatique Universite d'Orleans BP 6759 F-45067 Orleans Cedex 2 ----------------------------------------------------------- Tel : +33 (0)2 38 41 70 10 Fax : +33 (0)2 38 41 71 37 E-mail : Gerard.Ferrand@lifo.univ-orleans.fr ----------------------------------------------------------- From lee@cs.mu.OZ.AU Thu Jan 20 00:27:28 2000 Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: mundook.cs.mu.OZ.AU: lee owned process doing -bs X-Authentication-Warning: mundook.cs.mu.OZ.AU: lee@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Kung-Kiu Lau Subject: Re: [graham@cs.newcastle.edu.au: IFCoLog membership] In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 19 Jan 2000 15:20:30 GMT." <200001191520.PAA18756@rdf004.cs.man.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 11:26:51 +1100 From: Lee Naish >A Happy New Millennium! Thanks, but the calendar I use has a new millennium starting *next* year, so happy old millennium also! >LOPSTR has been invited by IFCoLog to join as a member (see enclosed email). > >I think visibility at this level will be good for LOPSTR, so I propose >that we take up the invitation. > >I am also willing to be LOPSTR's IFCoLog representative. Great. lee From dts@dcs.ed.ac.uk Thu Jan 20 00:49:10 2000 Return-Path: From: Don Sannella MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 00:49:01 +0000 (GMT) To: Kung-Kiu Lau Subject: Re: IFCoLog membership In-Reply-To: <200001191520.PAA18756@rdf004.cs.man.ac.uk> References: <200001191520.PAA18756@rdf004.cs.man.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid > LOPSTR has been invited by IFCoLog to join as a member (see enclosed email). > > I think visibility at this level will be good for LOPSTR, so I propose > that we take up the invitation. > > I am also willing to be LOPSTR's IFCoLog representative. > > Please let me know what you think asap. Note that unless a majority of > you object, I will assume that you support my proposal to join up and > me as your rep :-) Dear Kung-Kiu, Sounds fine to me (both proposals). Best regards, Don From bibel@intellektik.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de Thu Jan 20 09:25:54 2000 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:24:59 +0100 From: Wolfgang Bibel To: kung-kiu@cs.man.ac.uk Subject: Re: [graham@cs.newcastle.edu.au: IFCoLog membership] Dear Kung-Kiu, you have my full support for both the joining of LOPSTR to IFCoLog as well as you being the first representative. I would however suggest that any such representation should in principle be one limited in time, say 2 years. Although it remains a rare case, but when it happens that a representative does a bad job yet sticks to his privileges, it is extremely embarrassing for the rest of those involved to clear matters. Best wishes, Wolfgang From kung-kiu@cs.man.ac.uk Thu Jan 20 09:59:20 2000 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:59:15 GMT From: Kung-Kiu Lau To: bibel@intellektik.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de CC: kung-kiu@cs.man.ac.uk In-reply-to: <200001200924.KAA17799@kifs.intellektik.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de> (message from Wolfgang Bibel on Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:24:59 +0100) Subject: Re: [graham@cs.newcastle.edu.au: IFCoLog membership] Dear Wolfgang, Thank you for your support. >I would however suggest that any such representation should in principle >be one limited in time, say 2 years. Thanks for the suggestion, it's a good idea. >Although it remains a rare case, but >when it happens that a representative does a bad job yet sticks to his >privileges, it is extremely embarrassing for the rest of those involved to >clear matters. I'm not aware of any privileges associated with the representative, who is just a contact (an email address!) as far as I can see. Kung-Kiu From Pierre.Flener@dis.uu.se Thu Jan 20 15:01:31 2000 Return-Path: Sender: pierref@csd.uu.se Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 16:01:20 +0100 From: Pierre Flener Organization: Dept of Information Science, Uppsala University, Sweden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: de,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kung-Kiu Lau CC: Wolfgang Bibel , Pierre Flener Subject: Re: IFCoLog membership References: <200001191520.PAA18756@rdf004.cs.man.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kung-Kiu Lau wrote, in answer to Wolfgang Bibel: > > I would however suggest that any such representation should in principle > > be one limited in time, say 2 years. > > Thanks for the suggestion, it's a good idea. I also think so. > > Although it remains a rare case, but > > when it happens that a representative does a bad job yet sticks to his > > privileges, it is extremely embarrassing for the rest of those involved to > > clear matters. > > I'm not aware of any privileges associated with the representative, > who is just a contact (an email address!) as far as I can see. I think what Wolfgang might have been aiming at sth much more general: the LOPSTR community could have a steering committee with a (bi-annually?) elected president, whose *privilege* would then be to be the default representative for *all* such opportunities!? Otherwise, since Kung-Kiu maintains the LOPSTR homepage, he will be contacted each time, and each time he will "feel like volunteering" for the proposed position, getting all the limelight, because everybody is too busy for doing the democratic process properly (I have noticed of course that KK is not/never opposed to other candidates and elections). If we do not want a steering committee, then we might still vote to agree that the "acting president" is always the current LOPSTR stream-chair (for CL), which is currently Kung-Kiu, which is why nobody should oppose his nomination here and now. (Of course, having our presidency rotate every year might not be too welcome by some associations such as IFCoLog.) best, Pierre From Danny.DeSchreye@cs.kuleuven.ac.be Mon Jan 24 08:54:09 2000 Return-Path: Sender: Danny.DeSchreye@cs.kuleuven.ac.be Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 09:53:49 +0100 From: Danny De Schreye Organization: KULeuven X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kung-Kiu Lau Subject: Re: [graham@cs.newcastle.edu.au: IFCoLog membership] References: <200001191520.PAA18756@rdf004.cs.man.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kung-Kiu, I do not have any objection against Lopstr joining Ifcolog and obviously, you are best placed to represent it. (Confidential part excised by me -- Kung-Kiu) Cheers, Danny. From bossi@dsi.unive.it Mon Jan 24 10:54:23 2000 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 11:59:41 +0100 From: Annalisa Bossi X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [it] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kung-Kiu Lau Subject: Re: [graham@cs.newcastle.edu.au: IFCoLog membership] References: <200001191520.PAA18756@rdf004.cs.man.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > LOPSTR has been invited by IFCoLog to join as a member (see enclosed email). > > I think visibility at this level will be good for LOPSTR, so I propose > that we take up the invitation. > I am also willing to be LOPSTR's IFCoLog representative. Dear Kung-Kiu, I agree with the proposal and I support you as LOPSTR's IFCoLog representative Best regards, Annalisa From hanus@I2.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE Mon Jan 24 12:47:54 2000 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 13:45:40 +0100 (MET) From: Michael Hanus To: Kung-Kiu Lau Subject: Re: [graham@cs.newcastle.edu.au: IFCoLog membership] In-Reply-To: Kung-Kiu Lau's message of January 19 (15:20) References: <200001191520.PAA18756@rdf004.cs.man.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: mh@informatik.uni-kiel.de Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Kung-Kiu Lau wrote: > I think visibility at this level will be good for LOPSTR, so I propose > that we take up the invitation. > > I am also willing to be LOPSTR's IFCoLog representative. > > Please let me know what you think asap. Note that unless a majority of > you object, I will assume that you support my proposal to join up and > me as your rep :-) I fully agree to your proposal. Sorry for the delay but I was outside for conferences during the last week. Best regards, Michael P.S.: Please note that I have moved to the university of Kiel since the beginning of the new year. You will find my new address below. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Hanus email: mh@informatik.uni-kiel.de, hanus@acm.org Institut fuer Informatik phone: ++49-(0)431-880-7271 or -7270 (Secr.) CAU Kiel, Olshausenstr. 40 fax: ++49-(0)431-880-7613 D-24098 Kiel, Germany URL: http://www.informatik.uni-kiel.de/~mh -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From brogi@di.unipi.it Tue Jan 25 11:35:17 2000 Return-Path: Organization: Dipartimento di Informatica di Pisa - Italy Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:40:43 +0100 From: Antonio Brogi X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kung-Kiu Lau Subject: Re: [graham@cs.newcastle.edu.au: IFCoLog membership] References: <200001191520.PAA18756@rdf004.cs.man.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Kung-Kiu, Sorry for the delay in replying to your message but I was out of town for a school. > LOPSTR has been invited by IFCoLog to join as a member (see enclosed email). > I think visibility at this level will be good for LOPSTR, so I propose > that we take up the invitation. > > I am also willing to be LOPSTR's IFCoLog representative. I agree with both your proposals. Best regards Antonio ______________________________________________________ Antonio Brogi Dipartimento di Informatica, Universita' di Pisa Corso Italia 40, 56125 Pisa, Italy e-mail: brogi@di.unipi.it phone: +39 050 887 290 http://www.di.unipi.it/~brogi fax: +39 050 887 226 ______________________________________________________ From kung-kiu@cs.man.ac.uk Thu Feb 3 11:29:01 2000 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 11:28:55 GMT From: Kung-Kiu Lau To: graham@cs.newcastle.edu.au CC: graham@dfki.de, kung-kiu@cs.man.ac.uk In-reply-to: (message from Graham Wrightson on Thu, 20 Jan 2000 01:51:01 +1100 (EST)) Subject: Re: IFCoLog membership Dear Graham, Thank you for your invitation to LOPSTR to join IFCoLog. The LOPSTR community has had an email discussion and has decided to join IFCoLog and that I would be its IFCoLog representative. Kung-Kiu Lau