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From kung-kiu@cs.man.ac.uk Wed Jan 19 15:20:35 2000
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From: Kung-Kiu Lau
To: kung-kiu@cs.man.ac.uk
Subject: [graham@cs.newcastle.edu.au: IFCoLog membership]
Dear All,
A Happy New Millennium!
LOPSTR has been invited by IFCoLog to join as a member (see enclosed email).
I think visibility at this level will be good for LOPSTR, so I propose
that we take up the invitation.
I am also willing to be LOPSTR's IFCoLog representative.
Please let me know what you think asap. Note that unless a majority of
you object, I will assume that you support my proposal to join up and
me as your rep :-)
Thanks.
Kung-Kiu
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Dear Kung-Kiu Lau,
this is a message firstly to inform you about IFCoLog (International
Federation for Computational Logic), incase you are not already aware of it.
Secondly, I understand from David Pearce, that you are involved in the
LOPSTR Program Development stream and that it might want to become a member
of IFCoLog.
The main aim of IFCoLog is to promote the interests of the worldwide
Computational Logic community. It was established at the FLoC conference
in Trento last year. The current president is Professor Dana Scott of
Carnegie Mellon University. In the meantime IFCoLog has a webpage
http://www.ifcolog.org/
where you can read more about IFCoLog and its goals.
Currently numerous research communities are joining IFCoLog and we are
wondering if your research community would like to join. I am not sure
whether the LOPSTR Program Development stream is just
a series of conferences or has some legal status as an organised group;
in either case we expect that it could become a member. Do you think
you could enquire within your community as to whether it wants to join?
No doubt you will want to wait for a formal decision on this by your
members, either at a general meeting or a business meeting of a
conference. If LOPSTR Program Development wants to join then it would
need to elect or appoint an IFCoLog representative. Please note that
money is not required for membership.
I have assumed that you would be able to handle this matter but should
you feel that someone else is more appropriate then please let
us know. Also, should you have any queries regarding IFCoLog then I am
more then happy to respond.
I look forward to your response and hope to meet you some time.
Best regards
Graham Wrightson
IFCoLog Chief Executive Officer
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From proietti@iasi.rm.cnr.it Wed Jan 19 15:41:58 2000
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> LOPSTR has been invited by IFCoLog to join as a member (see enclosed email).
>
> I think visibility at this level will be good for LOPSTR, so I propose
> that we take up the invitation.
I agree
> I am also willing to be LOPSTR's IFCoLog representative.
I support you as LOPSTR's IFCoLog representative
Best wishes,
Maurizio
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From mal@ecs.soton.ac.uk Wed Jan 19 16:07:17 2000
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on 19/1/00 15:20, Kung-Kiu Lau at kung-kiu@cs.man.ac.uk wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> A Happy New Millennium!
>
> LOPSTR has been invited by IFCoLog to join as a member (see enclosed email).
>
> I think visibility at this level will be good for LOPSTR, so I propose
> that we take up the invitation.
Agreed, I think it is a very good thing.
>
> I am also willing to be LOPSTR's IFCoLog representative.
>
>
Agreed,
Regards,
Michael
From julianr@dai.ed.ac.uk Wed Jan 19 16:16:39 2000
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To: kung-kiu@cs.man.ac.uk (Kung-Kiu Lau)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 100 16:16:34 +0000 (GMT)
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Kung-Kiu Lau wrote:
>
> LOPSTR has been invited by IFCoLog to join as a member (see enclosed email).
>
> I think visibility at this level will be good for LOPSTR, so I propose
> that we take up the invitation.
>
> I am also willing to be LOPSTR's IFCoLog representative.
>
I agree that this is basically a good idea.
I note the following:
o (according to the manifesto) by joining the IFCoLog grouping, we more
or less commit ourself to take part in a big joint conference every four
or five years
o does this draw us towards the computational logic community and
thereby draw us AWAY from the program development community (which
development would be in the opposite direction to the current (agreed)
trend)?
I think you would be a fine representative. How do we hold an election?
Best,
Julian
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Mathematical Reasoning Group, Edinburgh University, Phone: +44 131 650 2720
From kung-kiu@cs.man.ac.uk Wed Jan 19 16:25:17 2000
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From: Kung-Kiu Lau
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Subject: Re: [graham@cs.newcastle.edu.au: IFCoLog membership]
>I note the following:
>
>o (according to the manifesto) by joining the IFCoLog grouping, we more
> or less commit ourself to take part in a big joint conference every four
> or five years
>
>o does this draw us towards the computational logic community and
> thereby draw us AWAY from the program development community (which
> development would be in the opposite direction to the current (agreed)
> trend)?
I don't think joining will commit us to anything that we do not want.
We will be free to withdraw our membership if they impose any restriction
that we object to. In any case we will discuss individual proposals
for conferences etc when they arise.
>I think you would be a fine representative. How do we hold an election?
If people nominate alternative candidates, then we can have a vote.
Kung-Kiu
From julianr@dai.ed.ac.uk Wed Jan 19 16:30:13 2000
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To: kung-kiu@cs.man.ac.uk (Kung-Kiu Lau)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 100 16:30:03 +0000 (GMT)
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Dear Kung-Kiu,
Happy New Year to you too!
Kung-Kiu Lau wrote:
>
> >I note the following:
> >
> >o (according to the manifesto) by joining the IFCoLog grouping, we more
> > or less commit ourself to take part in a big joint conference every four
> > or five years
> >
> >o does this draw us towards the computational logic community and
> > thereby draw us AWAY from the program development community (which
> > development would be in the opposite direction to the current (agreed)
> > trend)?
>
> I don't think joining will commit us to anything that we do not want.
> We will be free to withdraw our membership if they impose any restriction
> that we object to. In any case we will discuss individual proposals
> for conferences etc when they arise.
>
OK, as long as it is clear to them that we don't necessarily promise
to join in their megaconference (although I guess we would).
> If people nominate alternative candidates, then we can have a vote.
>
OK. I only mention it because the IFCoLog manifesto specifically
mentions elections.
Cheers,
Julian
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Mathematical Reasoning Group, Edinburgh University, Phone: +44 131 650 2720
From fuchs@ifi.unizh.ch Wed Jan 19 16:32:38 2000
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At 15:20 +0000 00/1/19, Kung-Kiu Lau wrote:
>LOPSTR has been invited by IFCoLog to join as a member (see enclosed email)=
=2E
>
>I think visibility at this level will be good for LOPSTR, so I propose
>that we take up the invitation.
I agree.
>I am also willing to be LOPSTR's IFCoLog representative.
You have my support.
Best regards.
Norbert E. Fuchs
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From Pierre.Flener@dis.uu.se Wed Jan 19 16:38:12 2000
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> I think visibility at this level will be good for LOPSTR, so I propose
> that we take up the invitation.
>
> I am also willing to be LOPSTR's IFCoLog representative.
ok,
Pierre
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From Gerard.Ferrand@lifo.univ-orleans.fr Wed Jan 19 16:39:20 2000
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From: Gerard Ferrand
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> Please let me know what you think asap. Note that unless a majority of
> you object, I will assume that you support my proposal to join up and
> me as your rep :-)
>
I agree with this proposal, obviouslsy
Best regards
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From lee@cs.mu.OZ.AU Thu Jan 20 00:27:28 2000
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Subject: Re: [graham@cs.newcastle.edu.au: IFCoLog membership]
In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 19 Jan 2000 15:20:30 GMT."
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 11:26:51 +1100
From: Lee Naish
>A Happy New Millennium!
Thanks, but the calendar I use has a new millennium starting *next* year,
so happy old millennium also!
>LOPSTR has been invited by IFCoLog to join as a member (see enclosed email).
>
>I think visibility at this level will be good for LOPSTR, so I propose
>that we take up the invitation.
>
>I am also willing to be LOPSTR's IFCoLog representative.
Great.
lee
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> LOPSTR has been invited by IFCoLog to join as a member (see enclosed email).
>
> I think visibility at this level will be good for LOPSTR, so I propose
> that we take up the invitation.
>
> I am also willing to be LOPSTR's IFCoLog representative.
>
> Please let me know what you think asap. Note that unless a majority of
> you object, I will assume that you support my proposal to join up and
> me as your rep :-)
Dear Kung-Kiu,
Sounds fine to me (both proposals).
Best regards, Don
From bibel@intellektik.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de Thu Jan 20 09:25:54 2000
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From: Wolfgang Bibel
To: kung-kiu@cs.man.ac.uk
Subject: Re: [graham@cs.newcastle.edu.au: IFCoLog membership]
Dear Kung-Kiu,
you have my full support for both the joining of LOPSTR to IFCoLog as well
as you being the first representative.
I would however suggest that any such representation should in principle
be one limited in time, say 2 years. Although it remains a rare case, but
when it happens that a representative does a bad job yet sticks to his
privileges, it is extremely embarrassing for the rest of those involved to
clear matters.
Best wishes,
Wolfgang
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(message from Wolfgang Bibel on Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:24:59 +0100)
Subject: Re: [graham@cs.newcastle.edu.au: IFCoLog membership]
Dear Wolfgang,
Thank you for your support.
>I would however suggest that any such representation should in principle
>be one limited in time, say 2 years.
Thanks for the suggestion, it's a good idea.
>Although it remains a rare case, but
>when it happens that a representative does a bad job yet sticks to his
>privileges, it is extremely embarrassing for the rest of those involved to
>clear matters.
I'm not aware of any privileges associated with the representative,
who is just a contact (an email address!) as far as I can see.
Kung-Kiu
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Kung-Kiu Lau wrote, in answer to Wolfgang Bibel:
> > I would however suggest that any such representation should in principle
> > be one limited in time, say 2 years.
>
> Thanks for the suggestion, it's a good idea.
I also think so.
> > Although it remains a rare case, but
> > when it happens that a representative does a bad job yet sticks to his
> > privileges, it is extremely embarrassing for the rest of those involved to
> > clear matters.
>
> I'm not aware of any privileges associated with the representative,
> who is just a contact (an email address!) as far as I can see.
I think what Wolfgang might have been aiming at sth much more general:
the LOPSTR community could have a steering committee with a (bi-annually?)
elected president, whose *privilege* would then be to be the default
representative for *all* such opportunities!? Otherwise, since Kung-Kiu
maintains the LOPSTR homepage, he will be contacted each time, and each
time he will "feel like volunteering" for the proposed position, getting
all the limelight, because everybody is too busy for doing the democratic
process properly (I have noticed of course that KK is not/never opposed to
other candidates and elections). If we do not want a steering committee,
then we might still vote to agree that the "acting president" is always
the current LOPSTR stream-chair (for CL), which is currently Kung-Kiu,
which is why nobody should oppose his nomination here and now. (Of course,
having our presidency rotate every year might not be too welcome by some
associations such as IFCoLog.)
best,
Pierre
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Kung-Kiu,
I do not have any objection against Lopstr joining Ifcolog
and obviously, you are best placed to represent it.
(Confidential part excised by me -- Kung-Kiu)
Cheers,
Danny.
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> LOPSTR has been invited by IFCoLog to join as a member (see enclosed email).
>
> I think visibility at this level will be good for LOPSTR, so I propose
> that we take up the invitation.
> I am also willing to be LOPSTR's IFCoLog representative.
Dear Kung-Kiu,
I agree with the proposal and I support you as LOPSTR's IFCoLog representative
Best regards,
Annalisa
From hanus@I2.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE Mon Jan 24 12:47:54 2000
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From: Michael Hanus
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Kung-Kiu Lau wrote:
> I think visibility at this level will be good for LOPSTR, so I propose
> that we take up the invitation.
>
> I am also willing to be LOPSTR's IFCoLog representative.
>
> Please let me know what you think asap. Note that unless a majority of
> you object, I will assume that you support my proposal to join up and
> me as your rep :-)
I fully agree to your proposal.
Sorry for the delay but I was outside for conferences
during the last week.
Best regards,
Michael
P.S.: Please note that I have moved to the university of Kiel
since the beginning of the new year. You will find my new
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Dear Kung-Kiu,
Sorry for the delay in replying to your message
but I was out of town for a school.
> LOPSTR has been invited by IFCoLog to join as a member (see enclosed email).
> I think visibility at this level will be good for LOPSTR, so I propose
> that we take up the invitation.
>
> I am also willing to be LOPSTR's IFCoLog representative.
I agree with both your proposals.
Best regards
Antonio
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From: Kung-Kiu Lau
To: graham@cs.newcastle.edu.au
CC: graham@dfki.de, kung-kiu@cs.man.ac.uk
In-reply-to:
(message from Graham Wrightson on Thu, 20 Jan 2000 01:51:01 +1100
(EST))
Subject: Re: IFCoLog membership
Dear Graham,
Thank you for your invitation to LOPSTR to join IFCoLog.
The LOPSTR community has had an email discussion and has decided to
join IFCoLog and that I would be its IFCoLog representative.
Kung-Kiu Lau