There's a reason why I prefer to call it transemasculation. Transandrophobia as a term doesn't even cover the 'why' behind the oppression of transmascs, which leads transmascs who start using the term to end up thinking that their oppression is due to some bullshit about misogyny being inherent to agab, like you said. In reality, it's due to transphobes trying to trying to remove their maleness and return them to being "vulnerable women" in some way. Transandrobros are literally perpetuating their own oppression by believing what they believe.

Okay, fuck, that's actually a really good term for the phenomena. Because that's exactly what patriarchy wants out of transmascs: to forcibly and coercively re-gender them. Because so much of patriarchy is aimed at sidelining everyone with a uterus into a reproductive resource, an aim thinly legitimized by ideas about the feminine, female, woman, girl, et cetera. That's not a program that transmasculinity fits into, resulting in violence of all kinds against transmascs to buy conformity.

Contrast this with the de-gendering that patriarchy inflicts on transfems, who are denied any legitimacy or humanity as punishment for, A, actively identifying with womanhood, a category that must always remain undesirable, and B, "betraying" manhood, a category that must always remain unbreakable and misogynistic. A failure to be a misogynist man makes us traitors. Our uselessness to the reproductive regime denies us even the faint protections of womanhood. And because we are denied a category, a humanity, we are denied language and knowledge and frameworks with which to speak of and understand our own oppression; epistimicide.

And these are two very different phenomena, so for a long time it's made very little sense to me to use blanket "transphobia" as a term; it feels like it ultimately plays into that force of epistimicide, generalizing and vaguely deferring any specific discussion of what transfemininity means and how it's oppressed, and at the same time not adequately attacking the roots of oppression against trans men. I'll be borrowing "transemasculation" as a way to talk about these things. Thank you for the addition to my lexicon.

There's a reason why I prefer to call it transemasculation. Transandrophobia as a term doesn't even cover the 'why' behind the oppression of transmascs, which leads transmascs who start using the term to end up thinking that their oppression is due to some bullshit about misogyny being inherent to agab, like you said. In reality, it's due to transphobes trying to trying to remove their maleness and return them to being "vulnerable women" in some way. Transandrobros are literally perpetuating their own oppression by believing what they believe.

gender has been severely shrunken down into the domain of language, and I think it's been a serious mistake to prioritize language over all other facets of what gender is and can be

women can have penises and men can have vaginas, and it's great that we understand that, but we've done little in the way of challenging what these body parts mean, what types of people they're attached to, what those people's personalities are like, how dangerous or not dangerous they are, how they think and behave

we may have a little more wiggle room to label ourselves and our bodies now, but in many other ways we are right back where we started, with "amab" and "afab" swapped in for "man" and "woman." saying "women can have penises too!" is really not very progressive at all if you still think her penis makes her dangerous, if you still think it determines her personality and behavior and thoughts

It's a difficult and awful fucking fight, where we need language in order to combat negative ideas and describe our realities on our own terms, but the other side of the coin is people learning how to use the language we try to pioneer to describe our experiences as weapons against us. It's why AMAB and AFAB essentially became a new "man" and "woman," as liberals found a more acceptable way to say that people were trapped in their assigned sex at birth.

And when the language can't be twisted to support current power structures, it gets attacked and defanged instead. Hence why TME and TMA gets so intensely smeared as 'crafting a new binary' and 'taking agency away from people's ability to self-determine' (gee that sounds familiar, i can't fathom a group of people who's ability to self-determine is routinely and aggressively taken away from them).

Gender needs to be so much more than language, There's a qualia to it that every single person has and experiences that we just cannot describe. The vast majority of people who attempt to determine what our language means for us do not have these good intentions in mind, and their surface level exploration of the language that has been forced upon them, in turn, is used to continue to uphold their own power and how they benefit from it.

The language has the potential to challenge ideas, but for most they simply take the language in and use it to reinforce the things they already believe.

a difference I've noticed between the way trans men and trans women talk on here is that trans men use the term "detransition" for everything from actually fully detransitioning to like "girlmoding," or their counterpart of what we would call "boymoding"

it took me a while to realize this is how they use the word, but it explains the duality of "well why don't you just boymode to get male privilege / are you saying it's a privilege that I can DETRANSITION to access afab only* spaces????"

*nevermind that it says "afab" in the name, not "woman"...?

slightly tangential but this is such an annoying aspect of any discussion about trans women specifically being excluded from a space, especially those labeled "afab only," cause someone will always chime in to say that these spaces don't allow trans men in practice either. and like, yeah, sure, maybe some of these spaces are like that, I'm sure you're right on that, but quite a lot of them aren't! a good chunk of them are run by trans men themselves! 100% of them, though, by definition, exclude trans women

I've seen people vehemently argue that the existence of these spaces, even when they are literally housing, doesn't privilege trans men over trans women at all, because they unilaterally HAVE to detransition to access them, and that having that option isn't better than having no choice besides homelessness. like, they need to exaggerate how universally hostile these spaces are to trans men because otherwise they'd have to concede they have a privilege over trans women

a difference I've noticed between the way trans men and trans women talk on here is that trans men use the term "detransition" for everything from actually fully detransitioning to like "girlmoding," or their counterpart of what we would call "boymoding"

it took me a while to realize this is how they use the word, but it explains the duality of "well why don't you just boymode to get male privilege / are you saying it's a privilege that I can DETRANSITION to access afab only* spaces????"

*nevermind that it says "afab" in the name, not "woman"...?

slightly tangential but this is such an annoying aspect of any discussion about trans women specifically being excluded from a space, especially those labeled "afab only," cause someone will always chime in to say that these spaces don't allow trans men in practice either. and like, yeah, sure, maybe some of these spaces are like that, I'm sure you're right on that, but quite a lot of them aren't! a good chunk of them are run by trans men themselves! 100% of them, though, by definition, exclude trans women

terfs have gotten crazy good at framing discrimination through the language of consent. systemic discrimination is not "boundaries"

the emotional labor of being asked not to discriminate against one of the most vulnerable groups of women

Why do you keep complaining about white women having boundaries :/? Leave white spaces alone :(

Brown eyes are so iconic and beautiful

Green eyes are even more iconic and beautiful.

If i met a white person irl I’d beat the shit out of them and mug them just because of this post. Because of you. Maybe even kill them. Because of you. You had to say this and now some random cracker bitch is gonna die. Are you happy? Was it worth it?

Blue eyes are very iconic and beautiful and if you want to kill someone because of their skin colour don’t pretend you aren’t racist and a loser. Especially if its over something someone unrelated said.

every day i cave a blue eyed cracker’s head in with a lead pipe

And every day i plow your great grandfather’s corpse in 15 different positions 😘

raping a slave’s corpse is a classic cracker move

Bold of you to assume i have skin

the white mind is okay with being accused of being a slaver-necrophiliac-rapist but takes issue the idea of being referred to as having a race.

Or just loves making strangers piss mad on the internet over words that hold as much meaning as the graffiti in a bathroom stall saying “call me for a fun time”

There are more worthwhile things to be pissed at in life then someone you’ll never meet who doesn’t matter to your life or your loved ones. Especially when actual evil exists and currently boasts about Beautiful Clean Coal after bungling and bribing his way into relevance

white yanks will justify their racism by alluding to their stupid fucking leader nobody cares about

If you've ever gained something from my writing, or you enjoy my games, I've set up a ko-fi!

it helps me pay for:

- bottom surgery

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- college

it also gives me more time to devote to:

- my writing

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thank you 🫶

dystopia au where we are all assigned one of two chosen genders at birth

Thanks to ultrasounds, the genders can be assigned before birth.  The people are so excited to conform they throw “Gender reveal parties” to make sure their offspring exist in a strict binary since before they can even form thoughts. 

Children are color-coded according to their binary assignment. 

One of the genders is seen as inherently inferior.

This all sounds really effing creepy when you put it that way

#BECAUSE IT IS

And if you deviate from the assigned gender you can be disowned by your family, fired from your job, and beaten by authorities.

writing a movie about a violent man in a dress who kills women out of a desire to become one and then insisting over and over that it can't be transphobic (despite it's cultural influence to the contrary) because he isn't a real tranny is. well it's beyond parody isn't it.

reallyyy not a fan of the habit people have of deflecting guilt for making abhorrent and obvious caricatures of trans women in media by insisting that it was actually super progressive because he wasn't a real transsexual!! you see the same shit with rhps. just a complete failure to take some accountability and say "yeah that was insensitive we shouldn't have depicted a real group of people that way and it has brought them material harm as a result."

It's so frustrating when people pull the "but he isn't a trans woman," like yes, the transmisogynistic caricature will not be called a woman by the source material, please consider why that is

"The Hateful Image of You is a community building thing for us though." "We felt so safe in The Hateful Image of You it let us explore ourselves." "The Hateful Image of You inspired women to join imperialist government organizations." "Honestly I dont even care how you feel about The Hateful Image of You it doesn't matter that nobody acknowledges the affect it has on You." "I have personally helped facilitate dozens of productions of The Hateful Image of You its not amazing its just a movie."

Silence of the Lambs, Ace Ventura, RHPS, Sleepaway Camp, Longlegs, Psycho, the list goes on and on and on and The Hateful Image of You lives on in the hearts of everyone around us and TME people expect us to just, not care? Is it so hard to empathize with a trans woman for one minute that they can't even conceive of having The Hateful Image of You depicting yourself in a warped portrait with blood smeared on it and how it makes us feel? Especially that its a beloved community gathering thing to take part in The Hateful Image of You? That The Hateful Image of You unites everyone else in enjoying it? That the sharing of it perpetuates its renewal over and over again?

Nah, I'mma be a loud pissed off tranny about it. The least I can do to fight what kills so many of us before we can even be ourselves is shit on every one of these shitty fucking things yall make. Fuckin Hell.

Another part of it is that no part of the transmasculine transition requires one to unpack the transmisogyny in their worldview and self-understanding. (For the record, anyone, TME or TMA, can transition without unpacking their bigotry; just look at the prevalence of racism and antiblackness across all trans spaces.) With regards to transandrobros, they were able to transition without ever having to unpack their transmisogyny, and now engage in the behaviors OP has described. They simply never stopped hating trans women to begin with.

very good point -- not even trans women ourselves don't hate ourselves for being trans women. trans men aren't special